2021-09-13 Subcommittee on Pharmacy Services Meeting

Date

Agenda


Materials

Attendees

NACHC Informatics Team

Jennifer Kreidler-Moss

Nicole Thibeau

Vicki Young

Kemi Alli


Anthony Fortenberry

Anthony Armstrong

Marisa Rowen

Mary Blankson


 

From Marisa Rowen

Advisory Group for Subcommittee on the Integration Pharmacy Services and Policy


Topic:  Launch Meeting

Chair:  Jennifer Kreidler-Moss

Host:   Kathy McNamara


Agenda Topic

Time

Presenter

Key Points

Welcome

2 minutes

Jennifer

·        Welcome

·        This group will help inform NACHCs Policy Agenda moving forward on Pharmacy and 340b and other relevant issues.

Will meet once a month for next 3 months

Purpose of this Group

2minutes

Kathy

·       You are the architects of the new subcommittee designed to inform NACHC on policy: regulatory, administrative and operations.

·        This group right now is reporting to Mike Holmes the new Board Chair.

Background and Current State

5 minutes

Vacheria

·

Introductions

& Discussions

30 minutes

Jennifer

Anthony Armstonrg

  • How to expand conversations, including pharma
  • disparate data
  • conversations about revenue centers in CHCs

Anthony Fortenberry

  • Finding resources that help provide elected policy makers easy to understand 340B terminology and impact
  • quantifying the impact of 340B on CHCs - patient stories, infographics, how it impacts patient care
  • Generics - how they transform PrEP practice
  • PBMs Contract pharmacy - how federal policy impacts finances, and our dangerous dependence on the revenues

Gervean Williams

  • Train CFOs how to calculate the savings so we know what the impact is
  • Educate health centers that do not participate in 340B and help them participate

Jennifer

  • Partner with the PBMs? 
  • Pharmacists need to be considered providers by CMS - collecting encounter rate for pharmacists
  • FTCA coverage in non-traditional spaces - jail, nursing home - just for pharmacists and med safety, transition of care work for med safety would be a huge opportunity 

Kemi Alli

  • Being proactive with how we are assessing revenue - look at pharmacies around the world - they are profitable without 340B.  Even if 340B margin shrinks, how can we learn and transfer that knowledge?
  • Making pharmacists billable and eligible providers - managing chronic disease once diagnosis is given - it is a large role - how do we set policies and regulation, if billable we may be able to augment 340B, when we talk about shortages of providers - Pharmacists can fill in those gaps
  • Market 340B narrative - how we get the message across about our impact.

Marisa Rowen

  • 340B helped facilitate clinical services 
  • Agree on role of provider status
  • Workforce development with CHC values, to help retain professionals, learn background and skills as technology changes.
  • Diversity our payer mix to keep our doors open - pharmacy school does not include business classes - how do we position ourselves to be business-savvy, how to use workforce to advantage, how to best use technology, analytics to align payer mix to manage patient panel.  Understanding all the incentives and awards maxpack (question) a visit...
  • Pharmcist role in helping patients maintain health - getting access to EHR, reminding patients about other exams needed, checkups

Mary Blankson 

  • Need to prove to  ?patients that we have highly reliable system - diversion programs, on the ground support.  Stock and track orders - monitor prices and orders to make sure numbers are accurate that 340B discounts are applied correctly - managing stock meds - how you know the prices are correct per 340B     Diversions - how to make sure meds are being used properly - how to track?    Hazardous waste - strong scanning program - how to track disposition of tablets... expectation of 340B program - not just onsite pharmacy, but items we are giving or inserting in the clinical rooms.
  • Approval to get pharmacists reimbursed - should it be wide carte blanche or start with narrow, carved out set of authorities and get payment for that, like SMBP.  Example: providers may not trust nurses do BP titration, get them to assign to pharmacists, who presently cannot get reimbursed.
  • Basic education to the staff - how to make sure physician providers know how to make the best of the 340B - example: having a patient fill once a year with only one fill-fee that coveres one whole year, vs prescribing a new one every 30 days which would give patient a cost every 30 days.  Update EHRs as well to advise doctors

Nicole Thibeau

  • Pharmacists as providers - example, clinical work with diabetic patients (2 point reduction in A1C over 2 months)
  • Stability in 340B savings - even single drug price changes can change 
    • Partnering with PBMs - prefer to regulate them
  • Diversity, equity, inclusion and cultural competency  -  should be able to get PrEP from any provider, it should not be available only from a clinic that serves LGBT

Vicki Young

  • Discriminatory contracting 340B -  Federal and state protections 
  • Clinical pharmacy - legislation around pharmacists as providers for medicare - work with American Pharmacists Association, different ways clinical pharmacists are being used in CHCs - example, COVID19 has been an example, opening eyes for how pharmacists can be better utilized to help take some of the weight off the 340B savings.
  • Increasing the capture rate  - maximize revenue generation


NACHC Current Strategy

3  minutes

Vacheria

Both inhouse and contract pharmacies

Discussion

10 minutes

Jennifer

  • What are the metrics and data?
    • Anthony Armstrong - Have been collecting a data collection and analysis - piloting in October


  • Request for participant list


  • Make 340B its own topic 


  • Technicians particularly to assist with managing sublocade coordination and other LAIs
  • Medicare Part B and Part D - 
    • Kemi Alli - volunteered - send her the proposed bills and she could gather a team to review and comment
    • Is there data to support that it is medicaid usually and not medicare (question)

Anthony Armstrong - Our advocay team is working on a lot of items related to the new budget proposal and can connect to further discuss and assist however we can

    • save money
    • HIT platforms being integrated 
    • amount of money we all spend chasing data

Next Steps

5 minutes

Jennifer

·        We have meetings set up once a month for the next 3 months.

·        Mondays at 12 noon.  How does this work for you?

·        The next meeting is October 11th at 12 noon (Columbus Day)

·        If you have ideas or questions feel free to email Gervean, Vacheria, Kathy or myself.

·        The next meeting I suggest we focus identifying the top 3 issues for a charge moving forward.  This will be dependent on the conversations.  Jennifer you can adlib here.

Closing

1 minute

Jennifer

·        Let us know how did we do as a first meeting?  Put comments in the chat or hands..





Kathy will send partiicpant list

(Kathy has list)

Vacheria will send Medicare bill information

Andrea created a Confluence page, will ask Efe to add everyone to Jira/Confluence to see the page.

Next Meeting

Monday October 11

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Indigenous peoples' day/Columbus Day





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